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Post by Frederick the Great on Feb 9, 2020 6:19:06 GMT
Since the game is over. I must say that me and Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger were planning only just yesterday that I stab Victor Katz and Tolbethessar, let one Spanish Fleet head for NA. Cadiz would have been mine, Naples Spanish. The rest was to be determined later, but I would have had the upper hand in Europe, Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger in NA. But when I put forward the idea of a draw to Tolbethessar, he agreed. Because I knew that even if my stab worked in the end I would still be #2 and would still be fighting against NS/RU |
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Post by Carlos III on Feb 9, 2020 7:40:22 GMT
The game is over?
*laughs in Dresden*
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Post by Frederick the Great on Feb 9, 2020 7:42:07 GMT
The game is over? *laughs in Dresden* The cunning French plan to use the meat-shield Austrians with defending Dresden worked out pretty damn fine!  Also, Napoleon remained as the Emperor of the French until he died! |
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Post by nopunin10did on Feb 9, 2020 13:24:00 GMT
From one Diplomacy GM to another, if you've already posted results, unless you discover a situation where *you* made the mistake rather than the player, the adjudication should stand. Now what I tend to do is have more back-and-forth with my players to try and identify mistakes or omissions when they are made. I can't/don't always catch them before it's too late, but I try to make sure the player has a chance to correct them. Some Dip GMs tend to be much more hands-off, but that's just my style. But I don't think I've ever met a GM that would let somebody come back and say "I meant to say X" after results were posted. Inadvertent blunders, and coping with them, are part of Diplomacy. I hope you already realized that I normally do not commit this sort of "blunders" before you said that, right? I certainly can cope with this, thank you. Maybe I'm projecting, but that felt borderline condescending, a little too close to the line. It did feel uncalled for and wasn't necessary. It wasn’t intended as condescending. And it was targeted at your GM rather than you personally. We all commit “blunders.” Even the most experienced players screw up something in their orders from time to time. But in Diplomacy, the standard behavior is to let the mistake stand. |
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Post by Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger on Feb 9, 2020 16:23:11 GMT
The game is over? *laughs in Dresden* The cunning French plan to use the meat-shield Austrians with defending Dresden worked out pretty damn fine! Also, Napoleon remained as the Emperor of the French until he died! Mayhaps he died by assassination, courtesy of, say, Talleyrand feeling under-appreciated. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Feb 9, 2020 16:35:33 GMT
The cunning French plan to use the meat-shield Austrians with defending Dresden worked out pretty damn fine! Also, Napoleon remained as the Emperor of the French until he died! Mayhaps he died by assassination, courtesy of, say, Talleyrand feeling under-appreciated. Well that's tragic. |
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Post by Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger on Feb 9, 2020 17:45:52 GMT
Okay, here are my plans:
1811:
I figured that, given the terrain of Spain, I couldn't let France have Madrid, and I needed to get Britain's A Por out of the way.
This dictated my entire position: rushing central Europe (Kon, War), non-aggression with Denmark, alliance with Austria and Britain, and lying to France non-stop.
The partnership with Austria drove the Spanish-Cherokee partnership against America.
1812:
This time, we had some drama. Denmark broke his NAP with me and charged the Rhineland.
At this point, I decide to, as they say in Israel, dance on all the weddings. Britain and I conspired with France against Denmark, and with Denmark against France. We chose to be sincere with Denmark, which seemed to be a mistake as Denmark tried to take StP, but an illegal order saved my tuchus. I walked out of this year doing well... too well.
1813:
Things start going wrong. England turns on me, and that really slows my momentum. I did make a Janissary of the USA, and I gobbled Austria, but I had to deal with GB and France.
Then, in fall, I made an overture to Denmark by letting him convoy my army out of Scandinavia. This was a mistake - I should've retreated to Fmk.
1814-1815:
This was exhausting, stalemating with the entente. Included here was the spectacular gaffe of letting Denmark into StP.
This was also the phase where I tried to break up the entente, and apparently I was successful just now, but I'd accepted the draw because I'm ready for a darn change of scene.
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Post by Frederick the Great on Feb 9, 2020 18:09:48 GMT
Edit: Thanks to nopunin10did for creating and Santa Anna for hosting this game How my relations were with all players: tpc (Old Denmark/ Old Shawnee as I remembered his nation):Accidentally leaked to him my idea that I was moving Army Amsterdam out to Germany (for whatever reason), he ended up occupying it, causing the French curse of "Being on 5 SCs". After that until he went MIA I was at war with him. Europyrealm (US):This was basically me persuading him to attack Spain and him not responding (in my favor) with the moves I wanted him to use. Carlos III (Austria/Cherokee):This was basically a string of false promises made to let him have Venice (which to the end of the game remained German ), trying to convince him to invade Smolensk (something he had two chances of doing, and not stabbing Russia led to his eventual demise). Later I told the Allies that Austria be given refuge in Dresden to keep him at least of some use. Now with these guys outta the way, here come the Big Three: Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger (Russia/New Spain):The start of the relations with Russia was....cordial at best. Saw the attack coming at Dresden but couldn't do anything about it. Knew Frankfurt was next up. Tried to have him support Army Provence to Barcelona but he changed his plans a few hours before the deadline (leading to me becoming allied with the Brits). His plans to "trap" the Brits to me was a bit overly-complex. End-game he had Naples and we were without the sugar-coating negotiating to have me stab Britain and Denmark which never happened. Tolbethessar (New Denmark/New Shawnee as I remembered his nation):Relations with this one were good, we were actively trying to keep the Russians as far from France as possible while he tried having a hand at StP. Many a time I was guided by him as to what should I do, to the point where the Anglo-French-Danish Alliance thread amasses now more than 30 pages (yes this was basically our hideout where one day we added six pages in like two hours). We both deep down wanted to scatter British units as far as possible, and we were pretty successful at that now when I look at the map. However I was by endgame almost completely shut-off from saying anything about NA (because he rightly predicted that I wanted an oversized Canada instead of an oversized Shawnee) which was one of my biggest motivators to stab him and Britain. Lastly, Victor Katz (Britain/Canada):Relations in the start were pretty boring for how obviously he was against me, however after me "leaving" the game and then being told to man up and fight to the end (basically) by Tolbethessar I was the one (and I take pride in this btw) who tore up the Anglo-Russian Alliance. I went without sugar-coating to them both and told them that either of them will eventually stab the other once either of them dominates a continent. Britain agreed almost there and then (though last phase he had tried convoying to Paris ) but after that the rest was history. A good alliance that lasted to the end, though I was trying to end said alliance  |
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Post by Tolbethessar on Feb 9, 2020 23:49:25 GMT
I hope you already realized that I normally do not commit this sort of "blunders" before you said that, right? I certainly can cope with this, thank you. Maybe I'm projecting, but that felt borderline condescending, a little too close to the line. It did feel uncalled for and wasn't necessary. It wasn’t intended as condescending. And it was targeted at your GM rather than you personally. We all commit “blunders.” Even the most experienced players screw up something in their orders from time to time. But in Diplomacy, the standard behavior is to let the mistake stand. Appreciate the honesty regarding your intentions, I don't really have a good reason to doubt that. You should get the benefit of the doubt. I knew emotions were unreliable. It's just that I've already acknowledged the various counterpoints to my request. It felt pretty excessive. But I'm going to disregard those feelings because they're precisely what they are: just feelings.  |
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Post by Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger on Feb 10, 2020 17:49:54 GMT
An exercise in ridiculousness and roleplay: After the peace, Czar Alexander I sets out to divide his domains into a Federation. Naturally, he runs them all, but he grants some autonomy to each. They are: The Russian Czardom The (embiggened) Kingdom of Poland The Kingdom of Romania The Kingdom of Hungary The Kingdom of Austria and Bavaria The Grand Duchy of Bohemia and Moravia  |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Feb 10, 2020 18:18:10 GMT
Poland doesn't like the limited autonomy and keeps revolting every decade or half, and is eventually replaced by Congress Poland
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Post by Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger on Feb 10, 2020 18:35:24 GMT
Poland doesn't like the limited autonomy and keeps revolting every decade or half, and is eventually replaced by Congress Poland If Poland doesn't like it, we can give Silesia to the German entity and separate out Lodomeria/Galicia into its own thing. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Feb 10, 2020 18:37:21 GMT
Poland doesn't like the limited autonomy and keeps revolting every decade or half, and is eventually replaced by Congress Poland If Poland doesn't like it, we can give Silesia to the German entity and separate out Lodomeria/Galicia into its own thing. So no more autonomy but you end up losing more land? Welkum to Russia, here yuo no chooz land, land chooz yuo! |
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Post by Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger on Feb 10, 2020 18:37:47 GMT
If Poland doesn't like it, we can give Silesia to the German entity and separate out Lodomeria/Galicia into its own thing. So no more autonomy but you end up losing more land? Welkum to Russia, here yuo no chooz land, land chooz yuo! What Russia giveth, Russia taketh away. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Feb 10, 2020 18:41:53 GMT
So no more autonomy but you end up losing more land? Welkum to Russia, here yuo no chooz land, land chooz yuo! What Russia giveth, Russia taketh away. Russia, it's not the place to be! |
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