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Post by Tolbethessar on Oct 9, 2018 18:35:52 GMT
Okay, there's a very real possibility that we'll only have 3 players. Let's brainstorm some alternatives. Here goes: 1. Angevins. Some scenarios: a. 1189 Revolt
Three players: Henry II (England and Normandy), Richard (Aquitaine), and Phillip II Augustus (Capet France). Rumors had circulated that Henry was going to disinherit Richard in favor of John, which sparked tensions inside the dysfunctional Angevin family. Phillip cunningly used this to push Richard into revolt, weakening the powerful Angevin Empire. A lot is at stake - Henry has to preserve a fragmenting empire, Richard has to secure his inheritance while limiting concessions to Phillip, and Phillip must grow the French Crown's power as much as possible. b. Great Revolt of 1183 - Aftermath An alternate scenario where Henry the Young King does not die and successfully overthrows Henry II. Conflict ensues between Henry TYK (holding England and parts of Normandy), Richard (holding Aquitaine and parts of Normandy), and John (holding Ireland) for the throne.
2. Rashiduns - a classic three-way between the Byzantine Empire, Rashidun Caliphate, and the Sassanid Empire. Hmm, I feel 1b is a more interesting scenario than 1a (to me), and I'm open-minded about either 1 or 2. I've a feeling that Frederick the Great might or might not favor the scenario 2. No idea what Santa Anna might lean toward. You two, express your thoughts!  And btw, tpc, nice scenarios you've thought up, quite nicely. Edit: Ah lol I was right in my guess |
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Post by Santa Anna on Oct 9, 2018 19:03:52 GMT
Option 2 sounds good to me as well.
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Post by tpc on Oct 10, 2018 4:27:14 GMT
I honestly prefer GMing 1a) or 1b). 2) requires simulating the differences between the empires. They were obviously not on par in resources. Other factors such as morale, leadership, and geography (Iranian mountains) balanced it all out. It'll require a lot of work to simulate those factors.
The former scenario pits more homogenous actors, so less rules simulating the differences.
I'll try to work it out either way.
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Post by Frederick the Great on Oct 10, 2018 8:52:15 GMT
I will not oppose the idea of either playing the 1a or 1b scenarios however my first choice would be 2.
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Post by Tolbethessar on Oct 12, 2018 20:04:45 GMT
tpc, just curious... do you have an overall list of the resources allotted to each country? Sometimes I get the best ideas while doing something else completely unrelated (like taking a shower or driving down the highway). I'm assuming that the religions aspect would play a considerable effect on the game in addition to political & military aspects. Right? Also, the eastern Romans still had well built fortifications and trained garrisons. They didn't suddenly collapsed like the Sassinaids.
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Post by tpc on Oct 14, 2018 13:51:24 GMT
tpc , just curious... do you have an overall list of the resources allotted to each country? Sometimes I get the best ideas while doing something else completely unrelated (like taking a shower or driving down the highway). I'm assuming that the religions aspect would play a considerable effect on the game in addition to political & military aspects. Right? Also, the eastern Romans still had well built fortifications and trained garrisons. They didn't suddenly collapsed like the Sassinaids. I do not have the exact numbers, but if I were to rank initial resources: 1. Byzantines 2. Sassanids 3. Rashiduns The Rashiduns could get as prosperous as the Byzantines however. The Arab peninsula is a busy trading route and further conquests might enrich the Rashiduns. Given that this will be set in the beginning of Umar's reign, the Rashiduns pretty much have unprecedented financial power. The past caliph, Abu Bakr had made war on internal threats - including those that did not pay zakat (obligatory alms-giving). Winning a war against people that went against your financial system would grant you that power. Rashiduns are going to be an offensive juggernaut, balanced by the four sacred months (when it is forbidden to make offensive war) and a weaker defense. Byzantines would probably have stronger defense and resources, though I imagine they would be split between Western and Eastern threats. Sassanids are pretty much buffless and (in the end) weaker than the other two, but they would have the advantage of focus. Mongols or Timur haven't existed to threaten their east yet.
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jan 22, 2019 17:49:34 GMT
NOTE: As USA, USSR, and PRC, you are playing as a representative with full control of all operations in Indochina, not as leader of those nations. Quick question, those representatives... what sort of a position in the real world would be both responsible for the military AND the diplomatic relations (plus whatever else, like infrastructure, economic whatever)? I'm not sure what position would fulfill in supervising all of those. It might help me and others a lot if we have a specific name to research. I have no idea what person or department PRC & USSR & USA would delgate all of this into a singular representative in the 50s. |
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jan 23, 2019 5:12:33 GMT
tpc, I ask to be changed from USA to NV and I have spoken to Europyrealm, he's willing to play as the PRC. That leaves only USA vacant.
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Post by tpc on Jan 23, 2019 6:29:03 GMT
NOTE: As USA, USSR, and PRC, you are playing as a representative with full control of all operations in Indochina, not as leader of those nations. Quick question, those representatives... what sort of a position in the real world would be both responsible for the military AND the diplomatic relations (plus whatever else, like infrastructure, economic whatever)? I'm not sure what position would fulfill in supervising all of those. It might help me and others a lot if we have a specific name to research. I have no idea what person or department PRC & USSR & USA would delgate all of this into a singular representative in the 50s. There's really no specific department or person I could think of. I wrote that to provide some sort of justification for the RP mechanics. Without the realistic political constraints faced by any US/USSR/PRC, the three would be OP. I guess a group of people with similar opinions that happen to head the diplomatic corps, regional military command, etc. would make sense. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jan 23, 2019 8:50:31 GMT
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jan 23, 2019 9:15:50 GMT
Quick question, those representatives... what sort of a position in the real world would be both responsible for the military AND the diplomatic relations (plus whatever else, like infrastructure, economic whatever)? I'm not sure what position would fulfill in supervising all of those. It might help me and others a lot if we have a specific name to research. I have no idea what person or department PRC & USSR & USA would delgate all of this into a singular representative in the 50s. There's really no specific department or person I could think of. I wrote that to provide some sort of justification for the RP mechanics. Without the realistic political constraints faced by any US/USSR/PRC, the three would be OP. I guess a group of people with similar opinions that happen to head the diplomatic corps, regional military command, etc. would make sense. So far I have found a semi-example (for USA, haven't found the counterparts on the communist side yet) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Assistance_Advisory_Group |
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Post by tpc on Jan 23, 2019 9:51:16 GMT
There's really no specific department or person I could think of. I wrote that to provide some sort of justification for the RP mechanics. Without the realistic political constraints faced by any US/USSR/PRC, the three would be OP. I guess a group of people with similar opinions that happen to head the diplomatic corps, regional military command, etc. would make sense. So far I have found a semi-example (for USA, haven't found the counterparts on the communist side yet) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Assistance_Advisory_GroupGreat! Y'all can RP following the constraints any way you want, just that you apply the constraints set in the rules. |
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Post by Dr. Hendrei Gromsinger on Jan 23, 2019 14:41:50 GMT
This is during the vice-presidency of my birthday buddy, Richard Nixon, right? |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jan 23, 2019 16:07:29 GMT
This is during the vice-presidency of my birthday buddy, Richard Nixon, right? Absolutely |
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Post by Europyrealm on Jan 24, 2019 2:16:28 GMT
I got revived from my precious tomb. Thanks to Tol. I need some pushes to keep my interest up. I”m wondering when this Indochina RP will start? Looks like I might have some research to do if GM permits. Yeppier, still going for PRC.
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