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Post by Transfermium on Jun 8, 2018 19:19:38 GMT
Map: 1812 Overture, created by W. Alex Ronke, is a Diplomacy variant with 12 powers, 6 players, 2 continents, and lots of Napoleon/War of 1812. The rules (with a TL;DR as well) are provided in this link, along with other resources provided by the author. Please read through at least the TL;DR because there's a ton of special exceptions, extra build centres and finicky rules about land/water hybrid provinces I'm not going to cover/may miss.
To win, a player must control 18 SCs, with 12 being on the same continent. Draws (double wins) are possible if both players fulfill the 18SCs ruleor the 12SCs-on-same-continent rule. Each player controls two powers, with three pairs being fixed and three being allotted. The allotted powers have to be paired up so that each pair contains one EU and one NA power.
The three fixed pairs are: France/Rhine (aka Napoleon; Blue/Sky Blue) Republican/Federalist (aka US; Brown/Tan)UK/Canada (Red/Pink)
The EU powers are: Austria (Yellow)Denmark (Dark Red) Russia (Purple)
The NA powers are: Cherokee (Orange) Shawnee (Black)New Spain (Green)
Some major rules/clarifications: You can only convoy armies to a non-home continent if the destination is a SC (or adjacent region) controlled by the power controlling the army. Each power can only build two units max during winter. The two Native American powers, Cherokee and Shawnee, cannot build fleets or invade Europe, but in return can build anywhere in NA. Starred SCs are major harbours; they are build centres for anyone who owns them and are the only way for Austria and Rhine to build fleets. Cadiz/Cad is New Spain's 3rd Home SC (the neutral color over half of the province is for aesthetics). Sicily is part of Nap (thus Wes-Nap is legal), but Tys and Ion are still adjacent due to the straits of Messina.The Great Lakes are water provinces. Cop, Sto, Mon, Tor, Mwk, Mic, Adi, and Nia are canals. Nfl, Bah, His, Dub, and Cad are land/water hybrid provinces. They're basically canals, except fleets in hybrid provinces can convoy.
When signing up for an allotted pair, please state both powers that you wish to take.
Players: Santa Anna : Russia/New Spain Frederick the Great : Austria/Shawnee Christ Pantocrator : UK/Canada Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb: Republican/Federalist |
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Post by Santa Anna on Jun 8, 2018 23:15:15 GMT
I'll take Russia and New Spain.
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jun 8, 2018 23:38:24 GMT
I will be standing on the sidelines as an available substitute, btw you guys.
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 9, 2018 8:27:51 GMT
I'll take Russia and New Spain. those were the same two countries I was thinking of taking! Well, guess I'll check for some other nations.... Will edit this comment later. Edit: taking Cherokee. Is it possible to take the Shawnee too? If yes then I'll take both the Native American nations. |
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jun 9, 2018 12:16:33 GMT
I'll take Russia and New Spain. those were the same two countries I was thinking of taking! Well, guess I'll check for some other nations.... Will edit this comment later. Edit: taking Cherokee. Is it possible to take the Shawnee too? If yes then I'll take both the Native American nations. Quote: "The allotted powers have to be paired up so that each pair contains one EU and one NA power." I would think it's a no. :/ It would be cool uniting the native Americans though. |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 9, 2018 13:03:26 GMT
those were the same two countries I was thinking of taking! Well, guess I'll check for some other nations.... Will edit this comment later. Edit: taking Cherokee. Is it possible to take the Shawnee too? If yes then I'll take both the Native American nations. Quote: "The allotted powers have to be paired up so that each pair contains one EU and one NA power." I would think it's a no. :/ It would be cool uniting the native Americans though. Shawnee and Austria then. What could possibly go wrong with Austria as a corner-nation? Right? Right? Spoiler: everything. |
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Post by Transfermium on Jun 10, 2018 0:10:22 GMT
those were the same two countries I was thinking of taking! Well, guess I'll check for some other nations.... Will edit this comment later. Edit: taking Cherokee. Is it possible to take the Shawnee too? If yes then I'll take both the Native American nations. Quote: "The allotted powers have to be paired up so that each pair contains one EU and one NA power." I would think it's a no. :/ It would be cool uniting the native Americans though. That's right. The link provided clarifies everything, and I highly suggest players read through the rules in there unless if they wish to submit orders containing errors, or play sub-optimally because they didn't know which places they could move/build units in. |
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Post by Christ Pantocrator on Jun 10, 2018 0:31:27 GMT
I'll take Canada and UK I guess. Feel like i've done that before. I hope ill be active enough this time...
In other news I was reading the tvtropes article listing songs by hardness, levels 1-11. Amused me as a alan parsons project fan that they had the first songs on the list, though they reached to 4-5 also.
Canadian pride! VoiVod made it to 9, for the heavier thrash! To the death! Mutilated; we're out to Conquer all the planet. Or at least 18 SCs of it.
Seems relevant to this Trump's comment to Trudeau that Canada can be considered a national security threat, after all we burned the white house back in the war of 1812.
A bit painful to the pride since in reality while we were instrumental we probably had no boots on the ground. That can change...
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Post by Transfermium on Jun 10, 2018 1:07:13 GMT
I'll take Canada and UK I guess. Feel like i've done that before. I hope ill be active enough this time... In other news I was reading the tvtropes article listing songs by hardness, levels 1-11. Amused me as a alan parsons project fan that they had the first songs on the list, though they reached to 4-5 also. Canadian pride! VoiVod made it to 9, for the heavier thrash! To the death! Mutilated; we're out to Conquer all the planet. Or at least 18 SCs of it. Seems relevant to this Trump's comment to Trudeau that Canada can be considered a national security threat, after all we burned the white house back in the war of 1812. A bit painful to the pride since in reality while we were instrumental we probably had no boots on the ground. That can change... Well, we'll see if Canada can repeat the act this time around... or not. In other news, the maps don't seem to be high-res. I might follow the variant author's suggestions and email him to ask for the .svg files, but if that fails, y'all might have to put up with antialiasing. |
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jun 11, 2018 0:45:21 GMT
Hmm... @americanpatriot, @ottovonbismarck, I would have thought that either one of you would've immediately sign up for USA, at the very least one of you if not both. Both of you have expressed interest in playing it a while ago.
Christ Pantocrator, Funny... when Transfermium had posted the map for this variant, I was thinking... "Hmm yeah, UK/Canada sounds like what Byz would go for." It's a decent starting place at the least, a good solid chance of establishing dominance over the northern seas, especially the Northern Atlantic Ocean and the Great Lakes region. And about the Trump vs Trudeau, I will be honest... I think it's totally absurd of USA to consider Canada a security threat (besides the leaky borders issues that Canada hasn't addressed yet). In any case, Canada has been like the closest ally of USA for quite a very long time. I feel like Canada is almost like a brother to America, albeit the weird, little brother who likes a different philosphy a bit too much and lives up there in the attic, coming down only for mealtime, but nonetheless a very likable brother. I think I remember reading somewhere that 96% of Americans has Canada as their favorite country outside the USA. If in any event that somehow America and Canada is one country, it won't be an annexation, but more like a peaceful merger, say NAU - North American Union (aka EU). Granted, it won't happen for a while for now, but let say in some distant future... Yeah, it won't be an annexation that brings it about.
Frederick the Great, you're right. I didn't realize that Austria is basically a corner power, but that's if it can dominate the Mediterranean. Russia is definitely an edge power sitting in its own corner though.
Oh and guys... I have something to share. I'm asking a friend of mine to join this forum to play Diplomacy, he doesn't usually go for those kind of thing, nor Role-Playing neither as well. We will see if he will join or not. |
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jun 13, 2018 4:05:04 GMT
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Post by Transfermium on Jun 13, 2018 4:48:20 GMT
We'll see. I think 1492 might be a bit more rewarding if we have only 4 players - it's more tedious for me due to me having to design half the map myself, but it seems a lot more interesting than SA v3.2 or Sail Ho! (aka slightly better balanced Marenum), the only other two viable 4p Dips I could find (I could always try variantbank, but the search function is broken and I don't feel like reading every single page on the website). Link to 1492: www.variantbank.org/results/rules/1/1492.htm |
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jun 13, 2018 5:08:49 GMT
We'll see. I think 1492 might be a bit more rewarding if we have only 4 players - it's more tedious for me due to me having to design half the map myself, but it seems a lot more interesting than SA v3.2 or Sail Ho! (aka slightly better balanced Marenum), the only other two viable 4p Dips I could find (I could always try variantbank, but the search function is broken and I don't feel like reading every single page on the website). Link to 1492: www.variantbank.org/results/rules/1/1492.htmTried Dipwiki? I believe they have a large database of variant designs. What do you mean by Sail Ho being more balanced than Marenum? Lol. I specifically tried to make it a superior version over Sail Ho actually. Oh well  |
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Post by Frederick the Great on Jun 13, 2018 6:49:42 GMT
It's gotten to the point for me where I just want a game going on, doesn't matter what map it is as long as it's being played.
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Post by Tolbethessar on Jun 13, 2018 11:45:01 GMT
It's gotten to the point for me where I just want a game going on, doesn't matter what map it is as long as it's being played. ^ *he summarizes the announcement* The way you're saying it, yep, that is a part of as to why I decided we will proceed with whatever number of players indeed.
Btw, Transfermium, I had an odd thought flashing in my head when I got into bed last night. If there's 3 or 4 players, it's possible to use 1812, just a bit supercondensed. 3: just double down for everybody, plain and simple, although, USA and France should be paired for balancing reasons, so everyone has 2 powers in NA, 2 powers in EU. 4:Give USA a power from EU, and give France a power from NA, then UK can have one power from either side of the map. The remaining three powers would be the opposite mirror to UK. Everyone has 2 powers on one continent, and a 3rd power on the other side. It wouldn't work out evenly for 5 people. Just a thought of how to make things easier on you, T-Fm, interesting, no? Btw, 1492 definitely is an interesting variant in my opinion as well. You're the GM. |
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